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Images from todays Classic Car show:

Richard Stern 04 May 2008 17:11 
http://www.bmw2002.co.uk/events/reports.html


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Re: Images from todays Classic Car show:

Paul 02 05 May 2008 20:26

Thanks Richard for taking the time to post the pics up. Looked like a decent show and I didn't know the seven series had such a following. Paul

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2002 Cross member

Sean Treacy 09 May 2008 10:07

Hi All
General question
Has anyone ever tried to fit an E21 cross member into an 02??
The steering rack bits would not be a problem
Do the chassis legs fit would be more important to know

Regards Sean Treacy

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RE: 2002 Cross member

John Hudson 09 May 2008 13:37

Hi Sean,
You could make one fit, but you might have sump issues as the E21 sump will not clear an 02 crossmember. I know that the mounting bolts are in different positions, the 02 uses 6 bolts and the E21 only 4.
There are also the issues of locating the suspension arms, anti roll bar and brake reaction bars, but nothing that could be overcome I guess.
I am building up an E21 rally car at the moment, so will check out the critical bits and pieces and drop you an email.
Cheers,
John

Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:07:33 +0000
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Subject: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member

Hi All
General question
Has anyone ever tried to fit an E21 cross member into an 02??
The steering rack bits would not be a problem
Do the chassis legs fit would be more important to know
Regards Sean Treacy
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Re: 2002 Cross member

Nick Vyse 09 May 2008 15:10
I looked into this when converting to an e21 steering rack – it won’t work, and as John says the e21 suspension is very different to an 02. Why are you thinking of doing it – for the rack?

Nick


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RE: 2002 Cross member

Sean Treacy 09 May 2008 17:33

Hi John

Thanks for the information, this operation is proving a little more taxing than first anticipated but should be well worth it in the end.

The M12 engine sits vertical in the engine bay requiring different mounting positions. I want to retain my original cross member and engine in case we have problems with the M12 down the line.

By fitting the engine vertical you now have a gearstick hitting you in the ribs so this must be overcome also.

I use a turbo close ratio box in my car with a removable bell housing

I need to find another bell housing now as well , and I’m not sure if any of these were used on E 21’s  also

Lastly the whole exhaust has to be altered to fit down the left hand side of the car and tucked into the tunnel to survive the Irish jumps

We are pushing hard now to have it out for Donegal rally 13 / 15 June as this was the event Warmbolds car was first seen in Ireland…..Cant wait

Regards Sean

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RE: 2002 Cross member

Sean Treacy 09 May 2008 17:38

Hi Nick

Thanks for the reply , my reason for thinking that way is because I am having trouble finding an 02 one but Jaymic have come to my rescue this afternoon

Fitting the M12 engine in my car demands changes to my existing cross member as this engine sits vertical. So I did not want to alter my original in case the whole project did not work

I will keep all posted on progress when we get running hopefully at Donegal rally June 13 / 15

Regards Sean

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RE: 2002 Cross member

John Hudson 09 May 2008 21:54

Hi Sean,
You need a pre 1982 M30 E3 E9 E12 E24 E23 manual gearbox bellhousing as these cars have the separate bellhousing
the same as what you are running. I have seen a 12mm adaptor plate made up to turn the engine around abit, but you will need to modifly/lengthen the spigot bearing &clutch release brg so that they sit further out. Or cut, turn and weld the mounting face by the required amount. It will need gussets welded on as well to support the new position.
E21 front crossmembers are different for 4 and 6 cyl cars as well.
Good luck.
Cheers,
John.

Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:33:01 +0000
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To: ...
Subject: RE: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member

Hi John
Thanks for the information, this operation is proving a little more taxing than first anticipated but should be well worth it in the end.
The M12 engine sits vertical in the engine bay requiring different mounting positions. I want to retain my original cross member and engine in case we have problems with the M12 down the line.
By fitting the engine vertical you now have a gearstick hitting you in the ribs so this must be overcome also.
I use a turbo close ratio box in my car with a removable bell housing
I need to find another bell housing now as well , and I’m not sure if any of these were used on E 21’s  also
Lastly the whole exhaust has to be altered to fit down the left hand side of the car and tucked into the tunnel to survive the Irish jumps
We are pushing hard now to have it out for Donegal rally 13 / 15 June as this was the event Warmbolds car was first seen in Ireland…..Cant wait
Regards Sean
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From: John Hudson [mailto:...]
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Subject: RE: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member
Hi Sean,
You could make one fit, but you might have sump issues as the E21 sump will not clear an 02 crossmember. I know that the mounting bolts are in different positions, the 02 uses 6 bolts and the E21 only 4.
There are also the issues of locating the suspension arms, anti roll bar and brake reaction bars, but nothing that could be overcome I guess.
I am building up an E21 rally car at the moment, so will check out the critical bits and pieces and drop you an email.
Cheers,
John
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:07:33 +0000
From: ...
To: ...
Subject: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member
Hi All
General question
Has anyone ever tried to fit an E21 cross member into an 02??
The steering rack bits would not be a problem
Do the chassis legs fit would be more important to know
Regards Sean Treacy
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RE: 2002 Cross member

Sean Treacy 10 May 2008 09:05

Hi John

You are a BMW encyclopedia and I really appreciate it , I am going out this morning round the breakers yards to look for one

Thanks again for your help

Regards Sean

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RE: 2002 Cross member

John Hudson 11 May 2008 06:22

Hi Sean,
Let me know how you get on.
Cheers,
John.


Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:05:02 +0000
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Subject: RE: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member

Hi John
You are a BMW encyclopedia and I really appreciate it , I am going out this morning round the breakers yards to look for one
Thanks again for your help
Regards Sean
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From: John Hudson [mailto:...]
Sent: 09 May 2008 22:54
To: ...
Subject: RE: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member
Hi Sean,
You need a pre 1982 M30 E3 E9 E12 E24 E23 manual gearbox bellhousing as these cars have the separate bellhousing
the same as what you are running. I have seen a 12mm adaptor plate made up to turn the engine around abit, but you will need to modifly/lengthen the spigot bearing &clutch release brg so that they sit further out. Or cut, turn and weld the mounting face by the required amount. It will need gussets welded on as well to support the new position.
E21 front crossmembers are different for 4 and 6 cyl cars as well.
Good luck.
Cheers,
John.
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:33:01 +0000
From: ...
To: ...
Subject: RE: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member
Hi John
Thanks for the information, this operation is proving a little more taxing than first anticipated but should be well worth it in the end.
The M12 engine sits vertical in the engine bay requiring different mounting positions. I want to retain my original cross member and engine in case we have problems with the M12 down the line.
By fitting the engine vertical you now have a gearstick hitting you in the ribs so this must be overcome also.
I use a turbo close ratio box in my car with a removable bell housing
I need to find another bell housing now as well , and I’m not sure if any of these were used on E 21’s  also
Lastly the whole exhaust has to be altered to fit down the left hand side of the car and tucked into the tunnel to survive the Irish jumps
We are pushing hard now to have it out for Donegal rally 13 / 15 June as this was the event Warmbolds car was first seen inIreland…..Cant wait
Regards Sean
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hudson [mailto:...]
Sent: 09 May 2008 14:38
To: ...
Subject: RE: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member
Hi Sean,
You could make one fit, but you might have sump issues as the E21 sump will not clear an 02 crossmember. I know that the mounting bolts are in different positions, the 02 uses 6 bolts and the E21 only 4.
There are also the issues of locating the suspension arms, anti roll bar and brake reaction bars, but nothing that could be overcome I guess.
I am building up an E21 rally car at the moment, so will check out the critical bits and pieces and drop you an email.
Cheers,
John
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:07:33 +0000
From: ...
To: ...
Subject: [bmw02] 2002 Cross member
Hi All
General question
Has anyone ever tried to fit an E21 cross member into an 02??
The steering rack bits would not be a problem
Do the chassis legs fit would be more important to know
Regards Sean Treacy
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